June 27, 2005
Planning Board Minutes
Oswego Town Hall
Chair: Judy Sabin-Watson
Town Board Members: Francis Dellamano, Kenneth Kern,
Lee Phillips, Barry Pritchard, John Pritchard, Jeffrey Boyer
Attorney To The Board: Stephen Greene, Jr.
Call to Order:

Judy Watson, Chairman, called the Planning Board Meeting to order at approximately 7:00 PM.


Those in attendance were:
Judy Sabin-Watson
Francis Dellamano
Lee Phillips
Barry Pritchard
John Pritchard
Jeffrey Boyer
Stephen Greene, Jr.
Marjorie Best
Absent was:
Member Kenneth Kern
Old Business:

Approval of May 16th, and Continuation on May 25, 2005 Minutes:
Lee Phillips made a Motion that we approve the Minutes of May 16, 2005, and continuation on May 25, 2005. Barry Pritchard seconded the Motion. All Ayes. Motion carried.

Application #2005-02 - Ronald L. Hawe - Campground:

Judy Watson stated we have received a letter from the Oswego County Department of Planning, stating their agency has determined that no significant county impact is involved, therefore, this should be decided as a local issue. The letter also stated a highway work permit will be needed from the New York State Department of Transportation to access from NYS State 104, and to County Route 20,if applicable. It also stated that final approval be contingent upon the applicant receiving all appropriate Oswego County Health Department approvals and permits. Barry Pritchard made a Motion that we approve the application as submitted. John Pritchard seconded the motion. All ayes. Motion carried.

Judy brought up the issue of the Sign Permit. Fran Dellamano asked what the measurement is in regard to the gate. Ron Hawe stated 15 or 20 feet. Judy said on the application it stated 50 feet from the right of way. Ron was also asked about the size of the sign, and he said it is the same size as the Minetto Fire Department's sign. He said there will be another sign on the gate "Yesterdays". Judy asked for a Motion for approval of the sign. Fran Dellamano made a Motion that the sign be approved according to the recommendations as submitted. John Pritchard seconded the Motion. All ayes. Motion carried.

Ron Hawe re-appeared later at the meeting, and wanted the distance changed for the sign. It was originally 50 feet from the road, but wants to change it to 25 feet, as from one direction, the sign could not be seen from the road. Barry Pritchard said we had gone through this with the Church - a minimum of 25 feet from the edge of the pavement. After some discussion, Fran Dellamano made a Motion that we amend the Sign Permit Application, that instead of a distance of 50 feet from the road, that it be 25 feet from the road. Jeff Boyer seconded the Motion. All ayes. Motion carried.

Judy said the only other thing we need to do with Ron's application is the Negative Declaration SEQR. Steve said he would check with Brian Frazier, and find out what needs to be done.

OCWA Facility - Regan's Silver Lake:

Anthony J. Geiss, Deputy Executive Director of OCWA appeared as requested by the Board. Neighbors opposing the facility attended, namely, Cindy and Kevin Mazur, and Karen and Mike Atutis. Judy explained to Mr. Geiss that we have some residents who are upset about the OCWA facility being at their doorstep. She asked if OCWA could come to some sort of agreement so the neighbors would be a little happier. Mr. Geiss said he would do whatever necessary to alleviate the tension. Judy asked the residents to speak themselves as to their concerns. Kevin Mazur asked if anyone looked up the legality as to being exempt. Steve Greene said he had contacted Kevin Caraccioli, who was supposed to do some research on it, and get back to him, but as yet, he has not heard from Kevin. Mr. Geiss said the Zoning Districts are R-4 and Open, which commercial enterprises could be put in. He said he had received correspondence from Mr. & Mrs. Ed Croucher about the concerns. Karen Atutis explained Mr. & Mrs. Croucher could not attend tonight, as they were on a planned vacation. The Atutis' and Mazur's were ready to address the issues of all the neighbors. Cindy Mazur explained they were upset as they built beautiful homes in the area, and then have to look at a barn. There are truck entrances in and out.

She asked if there was some way they could come up with a natural buffer, so it would cut down on the noise and dirt. Mr. Geiss said there are plans to put up a buffer, especially the exit street on the back, perhaps some cedars or evergreens. He had agreed when he talked to the Crouchers back in April to plant some trees along the side and in the back. Before they can do this, they must get the water line in. He said he has already gone over the plans with the architect. They thought evergreens would be better than regular trees, as they would have to wait for regular trees to leaf out. He also explained they plan to keep everything inside the building, such as trucks and bulldozers. He said they plan on putting stone down to cut down on the dust. They are also planning on changing the overhead doors. They are installing overhead doors in the back, so they can drive vehicles in the back and out the front, so they will not be backing up, and ringing the buzzers and beeping, which is standard on all their vehicles. He said they will not be adding onto the building, just improvements inside, as well as the doors and windows. They are having a survey done with topographic information on it. A septic system will also be put in. Kevin Mazur said he lives right next door. He questioned the area 500 feet from the center of the road, which is where the residential zone goes. He asked Mr. Geiss how deep their property is. Mr. Geiss said they are about 325 feet for the edge of the road. The building is about 75 feet by 150 feet. He stated their company is a municipality. Karen Atutis stated it is not a municipality, it is a public utility. Judy Watson said that is why we have to wait for Kevin to do his research.

Cindy Mazur asked when the trucks exit, what road will they exit from, and Mr. Geiss said the front road. She asked what he considered the front road, and he stated County Route 7. The only time Donovan Drive would be used is for emergency purposes, such as a fire. He was asked how many employees would be there, and he said two, namely Scott Sharkey and Pat Guerin. He was also asked about employees being there at night, and he said he did not expect employees to be there at night. They now have a pickup, trailer and a dump truck which will be the only vehicles parked there. They do not have a crew located there at this time. In addition to storing trucks inside, they have parts that will be stored.

Mr. Geiss was asked about lighting. He said he would have lights on the building that would point downward, not lighting up the whole neighborhood. The members, as well as Mr. Geiss and the neighbors looked at the map of the property, and it was shown where each of the neighbors live as to where the OCWA site is. Lee Phillips asked if there would be any towers or anything of that nature there, and Mr. Geiss stated there will not. He said the only thing might be a radio antenna, but that would be it, as they communicate with other facilities by radio. He said they would have a security system, as they have had problems at other facilities stealing water or hydrants.

There was discussion of a fence, possibly an 8 feet chain link. He said that is not in the plans as of now. Cindy Mazur stated she did not want a fence, that evergreens as a buffer would be fine. Mr. Geiss said they also store topsoil and crushed stone inside the building.

The building is plenty big enough to store everything they need inside. If in the future they put up a fence, the vegetation would be planted so the fence would not show.

Mr. Geiss again stated that OCWA will work with the residents to bring satisfaction. They will also store copper in the building If they have a call up in this area, they may stop to see what it is all about. They will drive in, look around and drive back out. That is why they want a good security system there. All the vehicles have OCWA signs on them. He asked if anyone saw other than OCWA vehicles there, to call 911. They don't want problems with contamination or the hydrants. They have meters hooked up to the hydrants.

Cindy Mazur asked about the zoning for the Silver Lake region. Fran Dellamano said it is zoned R-4 residential and Open. It was also in the agricultural district. He said in the future, people should go to the town and request an R-2 zone, which is a residential area where no one can put a business in. They will need a site plan review. Usually a business is allowed in an R-4 or Open, provided they meet all the criteria, for example, parking. The Town wants to protect the people in a residential area.

Mr. Geiss said he wants to get the septic approved, the water line in, and hopefully get the area landscaped in the Fall. He said he would get with the architect for planning time wise. They have to move their equipment from the old site to the new site. When this building comes down, they are out of here.

Judy Watson said what she would like, that everyone who has come before us and signed the petition set up a meeting. She would like the residents to have an opportunity to review the plans before they actually go ahead and do the work. Mr. Geiss said he would be glad to review the plans with the residents. He asked who would be the spokesman for the residents. They could meet wherever they would like, either their building, or they could come to the Town Hall. He said he would have no problem coming in the evening. Judy said when all this is done, to come back to the Board and let us know how things are progressing.

John Darling - Subdivision:

Judy Watson stated we had written a letter to John Darling regarding one of the three lots did not have road frontage, and that he should contact Theresa Cooper if he wished to amend his business permit. Fran Dellamano stated the letter written did not make sense. He suggested we write another letter to him stating the project would be subject to a Subdivision Plan as the lots proposed do not have road access. He would have to appear before the Planning Board for approval, after he has the issue of road ownership resolved.

New Business:

Judy Watson stated she received a copy of a letter to Wayne Newton, our CEO, from Attorney Jim Nicholson, who represents John Hayes, who is purchasing the Evergreen Hills Golf Course. Mr. Hayes' intention is to use the property as a public golf course/restaurant/tavern. One of the contingencies is that the buyer receive approval from the Town of Oswego that the property complies with all zoning laws.

The secretary explained that Mr. Hayes had spoken to Theresa Cooper, who suggested that he appear at the Zoning Board Meeting. John Hayes did appear at the meeting, and it was agreed that since the property has not been vacant for over 48 months, and is being used as a golf course, that he is in compliance with the zoning regulations. John Hayes said he would talk with Theresa and Wayne the following day. Judy said we should write a letter to Mr. Nicholson stating that it is a Zoning Board issue.

Public Comment:

No one from the public present.

Open Board Discussion:

Judy Watson stated if anyone is interested in attending a Planning and Zoning School, there is one scheduled for Thursday, July 28, 2005 at Geneseo from 8:00 AM to 4:00 PM.

Barry Pritchard asked if anyone heard anything from John Bush. No one has heard anything.


At approximately 8:30 PM, Lee Phillips made a motion to adjourn the meeting. John Pritchard seconded the motion. All ayes. Motion carried.

Respectfully submitted,

Marjorie Best,
Secretary to Planning Board
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