May 16, 2005
Planning Board Minutes
Oswego Town Hall
Chair: Judy Sabin-Watson
Town Board Members: Francis Dellamano, Kenneth Kern,
Lee Phillips, Barry Pritchard, John Pritchard
Alternate: Robert Smith
Attorney To The Board: Stephen Greene, Jr.
Call to Order:

At approximately 7:00 PM, Judy Watson called the Planning Board Meeting to Order.


Those in attendance were:
Judy Sabin-Watson
Francis Dellamano
Lee Phillips
John Pritchard
Barry Pritchard
Stephen Greene, Jr
Marjorie Best
Absent was:
Member Kenneth Kern
Old Business:

Approval of April 18, 2005 Minutes:

Judy Watson said she would like an addition to the Minutes. We had written to the Attorney for OCWA, Thomas Pasqua. Mr. Pasqua wrote back stating it was not under our jurisdiction. That is why we have company tonight.

Fran Dellamano stated if he remembers correctly, as to the letter written to the Town Board regarding junk cars, he said the important thing that was not in the minutes, that it would not cost anything to get junk cars out of there. People pay for the junk cars, as they can sell the parts. Judy said we would write another letter to the Town Board Members.

Barry Pritchard made a Motion that we approve the Minutes of April 18th, with corrections. Lee Phillips seconded the Motion. All ayes. Motion carried.

Application #2005-02 - Ronald L. Hawe:

Ronald Hawe produced the current survey completed by John Damiano. It is very well done, showing color coding for Commercial, R-4 and Open Zones. All members took the time to look over the survey. Ron Hawe indicated what should be approved now, and in the future he wants to develop his property in the Open Zone.

Judy Watson asked Ron Hawe if he had the Environmental Impact Statement form requested, and he did submit it. She said we could not act on the Statement tonight, as there are pages that must be completed involving the County Planning Board. That would be Part 2, Pages 11 through 21. Judy asked if the total acreage for the camp site is 10 acres. Ron Hawe said the total property is 21 acres, but the campsite to be completed now is 10 acres. The other 11 acres hopefully will be developed in the future. Fran Dellamano asked if within the red line is 10 acres. Ron said the other 11 acres is beyond the trailer park, and behind the homes on Maple Avenue. Judy said she proposes to sit down with Steve Greene and Brian Frazier to complete Part 2 of the Environmental Impact Statement and sign off on it.

Fran Dellamano made a Motion that in future projects, that we get them before the Planning Board members ahead of time, and then come to the meeting and discuss the problems. Barry Pritchard seconded the Motion. All ayes. Motion carried.

Barry Pritchard asked if this SEQR is more that we asked for other sites. Judy stated we had to use the long form because it is 10 acres. There is also the fact that back fill was brought in. John Pritchard went over some of the questions on the Environmental Impact Statement, and he did not see any problems, and hopefully this campground would be approved.

At approximately 7:20 PM, Judy announced that we have some visitors regarding the Regan Development. Those who appeared were Cindy and Kevin Mazur, Elaine Croucher and Karen Atutis. Kevin Mazur said he understood that in an R-4 District, there was some sort of business that is supposedly exempt. Judy stated we had written to OCWA, suggesting that we have a Public Hearing and letting the neighbors within 1,500 feet know that OCWA was taking over this piece of property. OCWA wrote back basically saying because they are a utility, they are exempt, and we have no jurisdiction of power over what they do. Barry Pritchard stated they are a state municipality, set up by the State, so they are not covered by any of our rules.

Elaine Croucher said she lives directly across from the OCWA facility. She said she and the neighbors have dream homes out there. Fran Dellamano suggested we write a letter to Jim Regan, and ask him to come to a meeting. Elaine Croucher asked if there was anything the Town could do about this.

Kevin Mazur said he wants all of them to be good neighbors. Perhaps some pine trees could be planted as a border. He said things kind of escalated. They thought they were in a residential area, and then realized that a commercial entity was coming in.

Fran Dellamano said we should write OCWA another letter, for the purpose of finding out what is legal and not legal; that we should ask them to come to the next meeting and explain the site developments, and what they are going to do, and get comments from the neighbors, as we are using their water.

Steve Greene quoted from the Ordinance, R-4 District, Section 2, Conditional Uses - mobile home park, business or public utility. Elaine Croucher stated this should be done by Special Permit. Mr. Mazur stated he stopped at the Town Hall the other day, and the Code Enforcement Officer was not aware of what happened.

Karen Atutis asked what that driveway thing was about that came before the Board. Judy explained we allowed them to move a stake so they could have access to the road. That was not part of the subdivision.

Judy Watson stated she feels the neighbors in the Regan Development should come to another meeting also. Fran Dellamano made a motion that we write a letter to OCWA requesting their presence at the next meeting, and that we had residents of the Regan Development come to our meeting with concerns, as well as the Planning Board being concerned. Barry Pritchard seconded the Motion. All ayes. Motion carried.

Judy thanked the residents for coming to the meeting.

New Business:

John Darling appeared to discuss his proposal on a development. He brought a survey done by Russell Getman of three lots he wants to develop. He pointed out where it crosses West 5th Street on the right hand side. There are 2 houses, Carroll and Wiltsie. There is a street called Lee Street, which is a city paper street, and no houses on Lee Street. He explained that street goes back to the railroad track in the City of Oswego, and then it stops right there. You would have to cross the tracks, and then put a culdesac in, and divide it into 3 lots. What makes it so unique is the City has to approve Lee Street. He would have to get approval from NRG to cross the railroad tracks, then do whatever the Planning Board requires. He said from talking too Tony Leotta, the City would open up the street. Eagle Beverage is to the South.

Fran Dellamano said if there is no town property on the road, and you put a road in, the Town would have to come through the City to plow the road. He asked if there would have to be an agreement with the City regarding the road?

John Darling said Plan B would be putting in a private road, and the homeowners would take care of it. Fran asked about the legality of the railroad tracks, regarding liability. John said the railroad tracks are on City property, and the other side of the tracks is Town property. Lee Phillips asked what the footage is from the railroad tracks, and John stated 250 feet.

John Darling asked what the requirements were for a Subdivision, and he was told 4 or more lots. Judy Watson said she does not believe it is in our jurisdiction as it is less than 4 lots. She told him he should start with the Town Board. Fran Dellamano told him he should also go to the Highway Department as to the road. John also asked if the Town had something set up with OCWA that if any property developed, that they would have to use their water. Fran said there are many who do not use OCWA water.

Open Board Discussion:

Barry Pritchard addressed his concern about a Zoning Board Matter. Donald Smith lives in an R-2 Zone, and wants a Business Permit to have a car repair shop in his existing garage. There would have to be a zone change. He said we went through this with John Bush. Barry obtained a copy of the Zoning Board Minutes, and the matter was tabled until May's Zoning Board Meeting, which is the 19th so the full Board could review the matter. Barry and Fran are considering attending the meeting.

Judy stated because of a conflict, Steve Greene cannot attend the Planning Board Meeting on June 20th, so it has been changed until June 27th.

Judy and Steve Greene discussed meeting times for them to meet with Brian Frazier about Ronald Hawe's Environmental Impact Statement, which hopefully will be Friday, May 20th.

It was decided to have a continuation of this meeting on Wednesday, May 25th, 2005 at 7:00 PM to meet with the Hawe's, and get approval so they can open up their campground.

At approximately 8:15 PM, Barry Pritchard made a Motion to adjourn this portion of the meeting, and continue on May 25th (Click Here For Minutes). John Pritchard seconded the Motion. All ayes. Motion carried.

Respectfully submitted,

Marjorie Best,
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