October 15, 2007
Planning Board Minutes
Oswego Town Hall
Chair: Jeffrey Boyer
Town Board Members: Judy Sabin-Watson, Francis Dellamano,
Lee Phillips, Barry Pritchard, James Finn
Attorney To The Board: Stephen Greene, Jr.
Call to Order:

At approximately 7:00 PM, Chairman Jeffrey Boyer called the meeting to order.

Those in attendance were:

Jeffrey Boyer
Judy Watson
Francis Dellamano
Lee Phillips
Barry Pritchard
James Finn
Steve Greene, Jr.
Marjorie Best
Attorney to the Board

Approval of September 17, 2007 Minutes:

Jeff asked if there were any corrections or comments to the minutes of September 17, 2007. Being none, Barry Pritchard made a motion that the minutes be approved. Judy Watson seconded the motion. All ayes. Motion carried.

Old Business:

Application #2007-03 - United Group - Oswego College Suites - Site Plan Review
Jeff said he called John Candino, of Barton and Loguidice, and he said they are still working with United Group to finish the SEQR, and about a week ago, the Traffic Study was being finalized at the time. They had not made the final submittal to Barton and Loguidice. They will give us a two week notice as to when they will have it all ready, and get it to the sub-committee and we should have it ready for a future meeting. He said he did mention the hot dog stand that is going in on 104, that it should be included in the traffic study.

Jeff said they did the archeological study, and don't believe they had any findings with that. And they did an animal study or wildlife, endangered species, and no findings.

Barry asked about the economic impact. Jeff said he called the state on that, and got an answer he didn't expect. What the individual said it should be part of the SEQR. When you look at it you not only look at the negative but the positive, and what the person said was why were are getting some of the opposition is it is economic survival, they are facing competition, and they have to deal with more favorable rates. Their existing conditions may adversely affect the community and they may have to bring their facilities up to standards. She said if you wanted to get into this you would have to go to code violations and see how they were failing on their part to see why they are opposing this project. She said to go to the Fire Department, see how many calls are against these places.

New Business:

Fran asked some questions about the new hot dog stand. Jeff said they never approached us. Fran said they didn't come for a Site Plan Review. He asked if they are going to build a new building, and the members said no. Barry said they redid the building that is there. Lee asked if there is still going to have a beauty parlor there, and the answer is no, that she is downtown now. Fran said when a new business goes in, and they are going to do something entirely different, because someone had been grandfathered, we ought to do something with our zoning, for a Site Plan Review. If that building never did have a Site Plan Review. Barry said he thinks every new business should have a Site Plan Review. Lee asked if someone put in a same type of business, do we need a review? It is not in the zoning we have now. Judy said they will be meeting on Wednesday to revise the Zoning Regulations. Judy said that had been an issue, and they did change the wording. Jim Finn said a concern he has, are they going to be selling beer or spirits there? Are people going to be consuming it there? With the traffic there, if they are going to be selling beer to the students across the street, then the intersection would become more of a problem.

Greg Herrmann said if you are a closed business, and you reopen at the same location, is there a time period? He was told 4 years. Barry quoted from the Ordinance:

"A non-conforming use of a structure designed for such use shall be deemed to have been abandoned wherever such use has been voluntarily discontinued for any period of forty -eight (48) consecutive months."

Then the next paragraph states:

"A non-conforming use of a structure not designed for such use, and a non-conforming use of a lot or land whereupon there is not consequential structure devoted to such use shall be deemed to have been abandoned, wherever such us has been voluntarily discontinued for any period of twelve (12) consecutive months".

Greg Herrmann brought up the site of a garage, as to changing to a bigger operation, with different hours. Say they were using one bay before, but now to change to five.

Jeff said he did put together a letter to Deborah Stanley, President of the college, with additional questions. He wanted everyone to take a look at it.

Public Comment:

No one present from the public.

Open Board Discussion:

Barry said a number of items have been brought up, that should get the Code Enforcement Officer involved. Everyone asks us. Like Greg brought up - the repair business on County Route 20. What used to be Fragale's is now reopened. There is a sign out advertising it for business. We also heard that Tyvre Stout is in the process of building four town houses on his property on 104. Greg asked if we approved the two streets and four buildings, and Judy said no. She said she still has all the blueprints at her house. Fran asked if it should be a subdivision. Barry said he is not selling lots, it is all his property. Fran said it has road frontage. Greg asked if they are private roads. At the Town Board Meeting they told us there were two new roads - Stout Drive and Beatrice Drive. Barry said if they are private, they don't have to meet the subdivision standards, if the Town isn't going to maintain them or accept them. Greg asked if you can build four buildings on your own lot. Barry said it depends on how many square feet. Judy said if she recalls, when he came to us before, Mr. Stout said he may be turning it into a Professional Park. There was no talk about having any additional residences. She remembers him talking about doctors and lawyers, and other professional people.

Jeff said he would go to a Town Board Meeting, about us getting a copy of any application to the Planning Board.

Greg Herrmann said the Fire Department has been invited to a Site Plan Review at the college. Jim Finn asked if they provide fire protection there, or does the city. Greg said we provide for 7/8th of the college.


At approximately 7:30 PM, Lee Phillips made a motion to adjourn the meeting. Barry Pritchard seconded the motion. All Ayes. Motion carried.

Respectfully submitted,

Marjorie Best,
Secretary to Planning Board
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